It’s impossible to believe it, but we have reached the 7th and final season of Designing Women. In our premiere episode, we’ll discuss our initial reactions and hand out some superlatives for the season's highs and lows.
A program reminder: we’ll carry on with our season 6 structure - that is each week, we’ll spend some time with a different character. What were their best and worst moments and where did things end up for them?
Come back later in the week for an Extra Sugar where we’ll talk about the two-part series finale. It’ll be a throwback to our episode-by-episode breakdowns from season 1-5.
Come on y’all, let’s get into it!
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Transcript
Designing Women S7 E1 - The Do-Over
Salina: Hey, Nikki.
Nikki: Hey, Salina.
Salina: Hey, y'all. And welcome to season seven.
Nikki: Oh, man of sweet tea and tv.
Salina: And for that matter, that makes it our seventh and final season of Designing Women. Okay. I don't know.
Nikki: I don't know. Is that the reaction you wanted? I don't know.
Salina: What? I don't know.
Nikki: Yeah.
Salina: Sorry. No, no, no, no, that's good. It seemed very real. This has been nearly four years in the making to reach this point. And as everyone knows, well, you can do anything for four years. High school, a presidency, anything. I don't know. Do we call this a program reminder, maybe just to, like, let people know? Season seven will run like season six, so hope you like it.
Nikki: Yeah. If you can remind me of how season seven's going to run, I'm on it.
Salina: That's what I actually meant to say is this was for you. So this will be a shorter season, but we'll still do a Monday and Thursday release. Nikki, file that away.
Nikki: Got it. I might actually get it right. One week.
Salina: and each week we'll focus on a different character, their trajectory across the final season, and then we'll have an extra sugar to accompany each main episode. We're also going to do some special stuff this season. I probably shouldn't commit this.
Nikki: Wait a minute. This is new to me.
Salina: We're going to do, like, a Final Thoughts episode on the series as a whole, and then that extra sugar, if God is willing, is that. We're going to watch the 2003 Lifetime reunion and then report back on it. This is something that I've held and only I've seen, like, clips, but I've never watched the whole thing, not to my recollection. I may have watched it in 2003, to be honest, but that was a long time ago, so that's probably fine. But we'll report back on that and, like, what our thoughts were, and then we're going to do a couple of other things. we're going to do Women of the House, the short live series with Delta Burke as Suzanne Sugarbaker again paired back up with Ella lbt and just see how that goes.
Nikki: I have great news, Salina.
Salina: Oh, what's that?
Nikki: All of this sounds familiar to me. So, yeah, we're on the same page. Same Page City, baby.
Salina: It was funny, though. I was having this thought of, like, so all I have to do is watch an extra season of television at some point. So that'll be good.
Nikki: Good question. How? I mean, good point. How many episodes is that in my mind, it's like four.
Salina: I think it's probably like 22. Huh? So perfect, huh? Uh-huh. So no worries there at all.
Nikki: it'll be great.
Salina: Yeah. It'll be so good.
It lasted a season, so everyone must have thought so.
Nikki: I think in my mind, it was like an abbreviated season. You know, they only get through, like, 12 episodes or whatever. That's probably what I was hoping for. I think, just for our sake, I.
Salina: Think that's what happened to her show Delta.
Nikki: Delta. Okay.
Salina: I think that one only made it 12.
Nikki: Okay, so. So. But Women of the House made it the Full of Monty, right?
Salina: And we haven't, I don't even know where to find Delta. Not Burke, nor the series. Because if I did, Delta, where are you? I'd already be like. See, we have a podcast. We talk about you a lot. I don't know if you find that creepy or like, disconcerting or did.
Nikki: That one podcast where the lady with the famous lady.
Salina: Yeah. Or if you find it flattering. Do you like that two 39 year old women are just sitting around and talking about you? I feel like I would.
Nikki: I have a sense she does.
Salina: I would be flattered.
Nikki: Yeah.
Salina: As long as you weren't saying mean things. And even then, I might be like you still thinking about me.
Nikki: Any news is good news in any.
Salina: Any pr. Right?
Nikki: It all works. We'll talk about that.
Salina: We will. Oh, Lord. Okay. Do you want to take us, get us where we are? Where? What are we doing? Who help us?
Nikki: I don't know, man. I thought you knew you were ready for this.
So, yes, as you said, we're on our final season of Designing Women. I find that mildly unbelievable. But also, we've watched a lot of Designing Women. Yeah, like, a lot. but this season, in season seven, I did summarize a couple of main points to wrap up the season. So we say goodbye to Allison and hello to bj. So, Julia Duffy's Allison fled the designing firm for greener pastures. The ever lucrative Victoria Secret franchise. And in her place, we're introduced to Bonnie Jean Poteet. Bj, if you're nasty.
Salina: Damn. Just kidding.
Nikki: That's all I could think of the whole season. So BJ recently inherited Poteet Industries when her beloved James died on their wedding day. And she becomes the answer to Sugar Baker's, like, ongoing
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Nikki: financial woes. It's just the season seven iteration of them, that tees us up for the bookends of the season. So we start and end with Financial troubles for Sugar Bakers, so Allison left him in a lurch. BJ saved the day. By the end, though, they're forced to take a job with a terrible client who is poised to take over both Poteet Industries and Sugar Bakers. I think it's kind of, like, fitting or almost like, poetic that we end on financial troubles, because that's really been the undercurrent for all of Designing Women, has been this. Will they. Won't they lose the business?
Salina: Mm.
Nikki: one other significant casting shift was, kind of what we saw written on the wall at the end of season six. So Jackie Harry doesn't return as Vanessa. I'm gonna level with you. I have so much trouble saying Jackie Harry and not Jackie Harry because she has the accent.
Salina: Oh, that's fair.
Nikki: Oh, that's so hard for me. But I did look it up, and I think it's pronounced Jackie, I think.
Salina: But she does say Jackie in certain instances.
Nikki: I don't want to sound like an idiot, so I might call her Jackie Jackie.
Salina: I don't want to sound like you just sounded when Jackie.
Nikki: Jackie. Here's this. I want her to think that I respect her.
Salina: not just think.
Nikki: I want her to know that I respect her, and I want to say her name the right way. I just am not sure. so, yes, what was I saying? She doesn't return as Vanessa. Instead, she breaks up with Anthony on the phone, and then later, he accidentally marries Etienne. I love saying her name, though, Etienne.
Salina: Oh, good. Because I feel like I'm stumbling over that all the time.
Nikki: That's so lovely. So played by Cheryl Lee Ralph. So when we get to Anthony later this season, I think it's episode three. We'll do more of a deep dive into Cheryl.
the other thing sort of happening in the background of Season 7 that's worth mentioning is that the show did move on CBS from Monday night to Friday night. So longtime listeners, big time Designing Women fans might remember the last time they moved.
Salina: Classic sitcom night Fridays. Nobody even understands what that means anymore. But that was like a death sentence at one point in time, unless you were tgif. And that's ahead of all of that.
Nikki: Which is so crazy, because you would think families would settle in on Friday night to watch tv, but it is death. Death sentence is probably the right way to put it. So way back in season one, they shifted them, to that time slot, and the fans really came together to get the show back at a normal time. But this time, the fans weren't awaiting. They weren't trying to save it.
Salina: No, they're still mad. They're still angry.
Nikki: Boy, are they. so just by way of reminder, at the beginning of season six, they were actually riding at like, a series high in terms of viewership and ratings. But by season seven, with the air date switch, no one was watching it anymore. A TV Guide article I found from the time said it dropped from a spot at fourth to a spot at 40th in terms of ratings. And ultimately then of course, as we know, the show was canceled at the end of season seven. I thought it was interesting that the cast didn't even know they were filming the series finale, which they filmed that, you know, that two parter, which we will talk about in our extra sugar this week. They didn't even know that was the series finale, which I feel like says a lot about that episode.
Salina: I learned. I'm learning things I think I like.
Nikki: It's probably trick pulled some articles and.
Salina: Then didn't read them. Let's see. Because it was in my section, I wanted. Yeah, I wanted to learn from you.
Nikki: so we're gonna link to some of those articles, actually. But there was one Entertainment Weekly article that I wanted to quote because I think it really puts this whole season into context. It says when it was in its prime, roughly 1988 to 1991, women was a solid B plus. This episode finishes it off with a C minus.
Salina: yeah. And depending on who you are, you may not want to be called a B plus.
Nikki: I actually thought B plus was kind of mean.
Salina: Yeah, maybe a little.
Nikki: But that's the overachiever in me.
Salina: Yeah.
Nikki: And B plus would have sent me. It would have sent me to bed.
Salina: Right.
Nikki: So I don't know. But long story short, that article was not complimentary. And, And from what I could find, because I did do, beyond the articles you had shared, I did a little bit of a. A lit review, light, if you will. And it was not. It was not a flattering time.
Salina: I love it when you apply science to Designing Women.
Nikki: There's a methodology to it all. You know what I mean?
Salina: I have heard of a methodology before.
Nikki: Is there anything else in terms of big plot points that I didn't mention that you wanted to say?
Salina: I don't think. I think you did a great job capturing it. So I'll only muddy the waters.
Nikki: Oh, girl. Well, I have one more thing for you, Salina. I mean, I have a couple things, but, on socials, you challenged me.
Salina: Oh.
Nikki: You reminded me that I did a poem for season six. And then challenged me to see what I could come up with for season seven. I didn't come up with anything. So we can move on. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. You ready for me to lay it on you? I am. I had so many versions, and I think I ended up. I almost kept the other versions just so you could see them, but I think I ended up removing them. So this is where I ended up at the end.
Salina: Maybe you could do all the other ones for Patreons.
Nikki: Well, I deleted them, so good luck then. Do it yourself.
Salina: Okay, I'm ready.
Nikki: All right. Change is afoot at Sugar Bakers. BJ joins the movers and shakers. Anthony and Etienne are wed. The cast's inhibitions shed. Series finale Any takers?
Salina: I love it. Which is exactly what I said last time, I think.
Nikki: I know.
Salina: I wouldn't have known that except for the fact I just pulled that on.
Nikki: You just listened to it. Is that your reaction for, like, you don't know what else to say to say?
Salina: No, I. I really enjoy when you come with surprises. This is one of the only places I can handle surprise, guys. It's probably because I'm plugged in.
Nikki: I can't go anywhere. She's trapped. The door's closed.
Salina: You know me well enough, and you yourself are not really a fan of people, so I know my surprise won't be like a surprise party.
Nikki: No, not for me. Not for me. although one day I might surprise you with a listener party where we just have you walk right into a whole room of listeners.
Salina: I just got a little scared.
Nikki: Oh, this makes you sweat a little bit. Yeah. I would have to put clothes on.
Salina: Joke's on you, Nikki. I sweat naturally all the time. Because that's what happens when you're hot.
Nikki: That's true.
Salina: I mean, well. Teehee. Well, thank you for that poem. I really.
Nikki: You're welcome.
Salina: I enjoyed that.
Nikki: one of the things that I read through a bunch of the reviews and, like, criticisms of season seven, this was the line the cast inhibitions shed. That's so hard to say. was that they really feel like they leaned so heavily into the shenanigans and, like, push Julia into crazy things you wouldn't find her in. Which maybe we'll talk about when we talk about our reactions to season seven. But that's really where I was going with that sentence. Like, that was the overwhelming criticism that I saw was like, Mary Jo and Julia are doing things they'd never do. So I wanted to squeeze that in.
Salina: There okay, I'm, I gotta, I mean, like, like real talk.
Nikki: Real talk.
Salina: I'm really excited to hear what you think because I've got strong feelings.
Nikki: Thoughts upon thoughts upon thoughts.
All right, so to further contextualize us into this season, let's talk about that first episode.
Salina: Let's contextualize the context.
Nikki: Let's really like, hammer the nails in. so season seven, episode one was called Of Human Bondage and it premiered on September 25, 1992. It was written by LBT and directed by David Steinberg. And the Designing Women online summary was, as we've talked about, Allison pulls her money out of Sugar Bakers, leaving the firm on the brink of bankruptcy, depressed. The ladies get intoxicated and lose their inhibitions. Oh, look, there it is, that word. Lose their inhibitions. Celebrating Julia's birthday at new client Bonnie Jean Poteet's home. Strapping Anthony to a bondage wheel while a drunken Julia loses her shares of the company to BJ in a card game.
Salina: That summary. Long sympathy.
Nikki: That's a long sentence.
Salina: That's really all you need to know.
Nikki: That's all. This is season seven in a nutshell. So we're calling all of our reactions to season seven the do over.
Salina: I like it.
Nikki: So that's what I got, Salina.
Salina: Okay, so let's get into general reactions. Like I said, this is the big time. We're ready to talk about it. Nikki. Nikki, this. Yeah, this is a big time. I don't even know what that means. What is your first general reaction to the season?
Nikki: I mean, it's really hard to have high hopes for this season given everything we've heard from the fanship online, everything we've read. I, I, and, and knowing it was going to be canceled, I went into this sort of feeling like I don't think it's going to be a great season. We're just going to rip off the band aid and be done with it.
Salina: Oh, I really wish I had talked to you first. Then go on.
Nikki: But I will say, like the new abbreviated intro and the title card, everything, sort of modernized it and I felt like, oh, here we go. This is feeling like something. I think overall the season just reads so differently to me. It's structured much more like a 90s sitcom that I'm used to like. It's fast paced, it's almost exclusively shenanigans oriented, which, you know, is like right in my wheelhouse. There aren't a lot of those deep life lessons. So in that way it felt comfortable to me for Most of the season. I know that's hard for fans. And we'll talk later about how I feel like it actually landed, but that was my first reaction to watching it. and then I'll just say, I think everything we've heard from fans really set the table for us going into this watch and for me doing my research. I was going into it expecting not to like it, but I think they're kind of onto something. It was among the weakest seasons we've seen, if not the weakest. The finale straight up depressed me because it was like this. After all of this, this. It just was depressing. So, I have a couple more thoughts, but we can. We can stop there and see what you think.
Salina: So I think we're going to land in the same place, but we're going.
Nikki: To take a different journey.
Salina: Yeah. Like an idiot. I actually came in with high expectations. I think it was because with season six, I had a similar reaction or feeling coming in, which is because everybody just poo pooed on it so much that I was like, well, I think season six is fine.
Nikki: Right.
Salina: I think maybe this was an overreaction.
Nikki: Yeah.
Salina: and that's not to discount anyone's feelings. it's also 35 years of separation. It's also a TV show, so we could all, like, take it down a notch. just be calm, you know, be easy, be
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Salina: cool.
Nikki: That's what I'm saying to people this.
Salina: Year, which is what everybody is always like, Just be easy. Like Seleni Cellini. Okay, first of all, just everything there was good. I just called myself easy.
Nikki: And Seleni, I certainly tell people that all the time. Just be easy. Like Seleni quit.
Salina: What if I just walked out right now? Anyways, So I had higher expectations for that reason. But in general, as I got into it, I was just struggling. There was a lot of recycling or revisiting of old plot lines and conflicts. And when they tried new things, which I could see them doing, it just wasn't landing, at least for me. I also felt like the show kind of lost sight of what it was and who it was, which I think is speaking to what you were saying there, that it was like more shenanigan heavy. but because of that, it felt a little aimless. And that really felt present on my entire watch. I was looking back at my notes and at some point, because we're fun like that, and I literally wrote down, what in God's name is happening in this episode? So, you can. I'll hold on. Which one that is, in case you're able to take a guess. But, yeah, I just. I was. I was expecting to be wowed and then expectations. man, dangerous. So I should have talked to you first.
The other thing I'll just say is, in. In preparing for our series finale breakdown, which we'll get to spoiler alert, I realized something about season seven that helped crystallize something for me. Until you tell me that I've got this wrong, and, I might challenge me. There was no LBT or Pam Norris in the mix. So, honestly, I think my feelings about things are kind of well founded because the two women who knew the characters best were absent. It was more like people who enjoyed the characters writing them. And so you sort of end up with these bizarro or caricature versions of the women in Anthony that we've grown to love. So that's my first reaction.
Nikki: I think I want to put a finer point on something you said about, recycling of things, because the overwhelming thought that I had as we went through the episode. So let me just be clear. Like, I didn't think this was something I was mad I had to watch. Let's just be clear about that. Just thinking, when you put it in the context, it's not the greatest season. definitely had some moments where I was like, what's happening? The thought that occurred to me the most was, haven't we been here before? So, like, in episode two, it was cut from the version we saw, but there was a runner about Quint's school hosting a clothing drive in, Cassandra hall. That, like, really uppity client donating some inappropriate clothing. That was a throwback to, something Suzanne was part of back in season three or something. So it was all, like, that was repeated. And we're just. In episode two, episode three, Julia had fashion show humiliation. Plus, like, the vegetarian bit, which was similar to the PETA fur thing that was happening. Plus, there was the sex ed conversation. That's only in episode three. In episode 15, Nude Julia, new York Morning. The whole fish out of water art exhibit thing. Same city, like, same thing we've seen before. and then the Women who Came to Sugar Bakers was pretty derivative of almost the exact same episode in season five. Old Rebels and Young Models. I only watched that episode one time and, like, half watched it in season seven. But this is where, like, Julia's old school marm comes to stay with her. It was the same thing. and then, I mean, like, they're just trying to save the show at this point. So they're going back to the well to see what works. but that really bothered me a lot that I will say there were a couple of high, points I think they redeemed some of at least my constructive feedback from previous years.
Like we've talked a lot about how they didn't use Mary Jo well. There are some fans who think she was very badly used this season. I thought she was very funny and I thought that she got a lot more airplay. She got a lot more plots revolving around her. I feel like she was used well. I felt like the cast was pretty well solidified. Like last season. There was a little stiltedness that was happening with Alison. I feel like BJ slid in pretty well. I, got, I think we got good Anthony this season had some good Bernice. So I think there were some high points. But to your point, there were a couple of plot lines that I was just like, why is this a thing that's happening to me right now?
Salina: So I think, I think we're gonna diverge here a little bit.
Nikki: Let's do it. This is where we really shine.
Salina: This is where the tension really comes in. You know, Will we fight club? We won't.
Nikki: We won't. Because I don't feel like standing up. My piriformis is acting up right now.
Salina: The late 30s are crisp.
Nikki: Oh man.
Salina: Wonderful time.
so I, I wasn't sure that I entirely agreed with the character decisions. And that's kind of related to where I left off with my last general reaction, which is like this caricature idea. Ah, you have mentioned this already, but we get this like, not very fun tension. Not fun for me. Tension between Mary Jo and Julia throughout the season. It's like a carryover from that one dust up in season five. It's like they were like, this was good, let's do it. Eight times
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they made Mary Jo's character for me. I, I was almost like, it's kind of like borderline obnoxious. I, was waiting for you to be like, she's just like you in this. I'm like, well, I'm not saying I'm not obnoxious this. I'm just saying, if so, like at some points it wasn't just borderline. She just felt obnoxious. And that really hurts my heart because as you know, I am Mary Jo defender. They largely cut the best new character, Carleen, out of the picture. Yeah.
Nikki: Ah, they did do that. That's true.
Salina: She sidelined at every turn. It even feels to me like they short shrifted Bernice. I think they under utilized her. I hate the word utilized and I just carted it out. But anyways, like she was there. But I think they could have brought her in much more than they did.
All that said, and I'm just going to go ahead because this feels like a nice segue into my last channel reaction. But even though this isn't my favorite season, I think I'm on board with you that there were some really lovely shiny moments and I can't. There are things that happen in this season that I truly can't wait to talk with you about. Even not at its best, Designing Women, it is still Designing Women. It's still packed with great one liners and when they hit the tone of the characters. Right. There's some of the best characters I've ever met or spent time with. there are also some women centric things this season to explore and I can't wait to talk about those with you either. So.
Nikki: Yay. I think we've talked about my last one which is just. It did feel shoved together in senses, things that were stitched. I think you're onto something that there were a lot of different writers and a lot of different directors on there. So it did become like we. You talked about them, in our early seasons, like the show Bible and this concept that you have, this character profile, it felt like they were looking back at that and being like, how can we make this bigger and bolder and brasher without really understanding the character development over the seasons. And so then it ended up feeling mashed together and pasted together and then it all just ends so abruptly, which I know some of it's out of their control. That last episode, man, that was, that was a huge disappointment.
Salina: I'm like, I can't even.
Nikki: Just real sad.
So do you want to talk about our season superlatives?
Salina: Let's do it.
Nikki: All right. What, what do you have for best episode overall?
Salina: So I did a top three, but my very first one I think is it's probably my favorite, which was episode AH14, the Wedding Redux. And this is where, Anthony and Etion renew their vows in front of friends and family. So it's just like wedding shenanigans, you know, which we talked about. We did an entire extra sugar on it. So obviously we're into those. You know, we put Anthony in a pressure cooker and that really allowed me.
Nikki: He always does well in those situations.
Salina: Yeah, you Know you're in for a good time if Anthony's, feeling the heat. So that gave us a chance to see me Shaq Cook, which is always nice. And, you know, we also get some great guest stars, which I'll talk about here shortly. And then Bernice is Bernice. And, you know. And, well, I'm. I'm like, trying to hold some things back for people's individual episodes. So I won't say much more than that except for to say big highlight for me. Yeah, huge.
Nikki: Huge. Huge. I think mine is, is a twofer and it's interrelated to that one. So it's Aviva Las Vegas and Fools Russian, which, was a two part episode, I think, which I didn't realize the first, go round. I think those two together. You know, I love a shenanigan, especially when we take it on the road. I just enjoy that. I thought we had some really funny bits sprinkled in. Like, sassy Bernice was. She was next level all season. But this episode in particular, I was there once with a senior citizens tour. I didn't think it was so hot. I didn't win a damn thing at bingo. And those showgirls sticking their big breasts in your face all day long, why, they could poke someone's eye out. Like, she was just like, curmudgeonly, but also having a little bit of a good time, which I enjoyed. I really liked her first reaction to Etienne. So this was kind of maybe the first real, semblance we had that Bernice is like a mama hen to Anthony. She's a little bit that way with previous girlfriends, but this was mama hen.
Salina: Next level in love with him.
Nikki: Yeah.
Salina: One of the two.
Nikki: Yeah.
Salina: just not both.
Nikki: M. She said, you know, it just flashed through my head. Was that interaction between Julia and her son that you posted on social media recently.
Salina: Yes. That people got really mad about.
Nikki: Yeah, that just flashed through my head. Both can be true. her first reaction to Etienne was really funny. Let me add her. I'll pitch her jolly a little. I'll pitch her jolly little follies right out of here. I bet she'll bounce. and then she had problem solving to this situation. She said, you know, this girl's a real snoozer. I think we should get her up and slap her around and make her tell us what happened. But then we had, like, Carlene had this outsized reaction to the chance of stopping in Albuquerque. She, like, lost her mind over that. Anthony had a great reaction
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Nikki: to be invited on the trip. Bj, you have no way of knowing this, but every adventure I've ever gone on with these women, from going to Graceland when it was closed to spending a night wearing pantyhose in a 10 degree motel room with Suzanne Sugarbaker, has just ended up as a total disaster. But hey, this could be the one that just finishes him off. And then he went and it was bad. there were just some very funny lines. I loved Mary Jo and Julia gambling. I've brought this up no fewer than three times to Kyle recently because they were playing craps, which is his game of choice. Mary Jo slow descent into crazy over craps brought me so much joy. My, only beef with this episode was the 45 minute musical interlude with get my boogie down. It just kept going.
Nikki: And we only need to hear get my boogie down one time to realize.
Salina: I'll probably have thoughts eventually.
Nikki: So that was my, my best episode. Okay, what about your worst?
Salina: Well, first I'm just gonna say that that kind of makes me want to return to that one.
Nikki: So, I liked it. I thought it was fun. I've watched it a few times and I never once thought anything bad about it other than that get your boogie down. But I just fast forwarded it to it through it the last time.
Salina: So my next one, which is really, really close with episode 14, but it's episode 16, which is sex, lies and bad hair days. This is BJ's birthday. It's not just her birthday, it's also her returning to the dating world. Right. you know, she has these nightmare dates. There's the female camaraderie, there's these zippy lines. This is just catnip for me. You know, I'm like, I get to see terrible dates and feminism. Wonderful.
Nikki: Yeah.
Salina: This one is representative of when they really hit the pacing just right. We don't languish too long at Sugar Bakers before getting into the action, which in this case are those dates. We also like, you know, you can see like the methodology and you know, you can see that template. and then they find a reasonable way to bring everyone together at the end, which is like a girls night. And then there are some lessons learned in the mix. This is another occasion where I'm going to put my further thoughts on hold so that I don't ruin every other thing that I have to say later in the season. But absolutely tops for me.
Nikki: And what was your number three?
Salina: Number three was episode 20, the Lying Game. This is where Carlene dresses up like a man. there's a lot to unpack from this episode, so I'll be coming back to this one a few times, probably between now and the wrap on season seven. If we had stopped at the halfway mark for this one, I would have been completely out on it. But the last 10 minutes, from the moment they started talking about what makes a man a man through Carlene showing up in drag, catapulted this one to the top for me. So for 2025, certainly there are some missteps. We'll talk about it. But for the times, I think it was funny, thoughtful, and thought provoking on, like, a number of levels. Rhetorically speaking, like, what is gender bending? What does that make? Or why does that make people uncomfortable? What. What really is gender anyway? And why have we chosen to assign so much importance to it? Those are some big questions still today, but especially for 1993, that might be.
Nikki: The only Carlene episode we have to talk about.
Salina: So. Yes, which is why I'm also, again, stopping short from, like, the things that I liked about it, because let's give Carlene more than a 15 minute episode. Yeah, I'm worried about that one, honestly.
Nikki: Yeah.
So what about worst?
Salina: Preparing for this episode, I realized all three of mine have one thing in common, and that is the elevator pitch is perfect, but the execution didn't work for me. So the first one I have is episode eight, Love Letters. This is where BJ finds her. Like a love letter written to her husband. This one, for me is a pacing issue. It just felt like very, very long and much longer than 22 minutes. I almost felt trapped in the scene where she goes to visit James in the mausoleum. it was like a five minute monologue that just didn't work at all for me. And. And I think Judith Ivey is a very good performer. You can see those stage roots coming out. But I just didn't love it for this. They were doing that plaything in a sitcom, and that's a hard plane to land. Hm. So that was my first one. How about you?
Nikki: my worst was, hands down, the finale, which we're going to talk about in length. It was just a rough watch. so I think some people might not think the biggest factor I'm holding against it is fair, but I'm going with it. So we knew it was the last. And knowing that I wanted more, and I understand they didn't have that same context when they were putting the episode together necessarily, but, man, that's tough. there were a Lot of cut lines in that one for us. Again, maybe a little bit unfair, but I think they may be built at out a little bit more with those lines. I do think it was better on second watch. I. I had to watch it a second time to appreciate the high campness of it and just the over the topness of it and then also the self awareness of it. That was. Came through a lot in Anthony's remarks.
Salina: I don't think you can watch that one and not have watched Gone with the Win.
Nikki: You would miss a lot.
Salina: It would be completely lost on you.
Nikki: You would miss a lot. Yeah. And I think throughout the series, they've talked a ton about Gone with the Wind. And so it's a little bit fitting that they would finally address it in some way. I think we had Gone with the Wind adjacent pieces here and there, but this is the first, like most on the nose and they did like Designing Women.
Salina: It.
Nikki: You know what I mean? But it just, this. If I think about this season, that is absolutely the worst episode.
Salina: So I have pulled two others. and then the next one I had was episode 13. Oh, dog. Poor dog. This is where Mary Jo has to put Brownie.
Nikki: That was such a throwaway episode.
Salina: So this is the episode where I wrote down what in God's name is happening? it should work. There is this, like, emotional piece with Brownie, but because we talked about Brownie.
Nikki: So much, especially in season six, she's all our dogs.
Salina: Right. You know, But I found myself distracted by the setup.
Nikki: Yeah.
Salina: Brownie is an older dog and she's getting him neutered.
Nikki: What?
Salina: Why? Why now?
Nikki: He's too old to be a father.
Salina: He's fine.
Nikki: He's too old to be a father.
Salina: He's fascinated.
Nikki: She's trying to save him. I don't know.
Salina: Like, what? Like, why is that what they went with? Anyways, Bernice is operating at like an 11, so this is normally irresistible to me. And yet we also know that Bernice is really smart. She's unhinged. I m. Love it, but she's smart. And I just didn't buy into her thinking that they were actually gonna put her down.
Nikki: Yeah.
Salina: I was like, what?
Nikki: Yeah.
Salina: She's not like. I don't want to say stupid, because that's mean. But, again, she's smart.
Nikki: Yeah.
Salina: What are we doing here?
Nikki: Yeah.
Salina: What else you got?
Nikki: That's it. Tell me your last one.
Salina: Oh, my last one.
Nikki: I only went with one for each. It said best and worst overall.
Salina: Did I not change the if you.
Nikki: Did, I had already copied and pasted it by then.
Salina: Ah. so sorry about that. Well, luckily you just had some extras there.
Nikki: I felt. I just felt strongly about those two. That's all I needed to say.
Salina: So episode 17, shovel off to Buffalo. This is Mary Jo's Elvis.
Nikki: I actually thought this would be your first worst episode.
Salina: This is really, really tough for me. Yeah, I, mean, I really disliked all three of these. Does that help?
Nikki: In no particular order.
Salina: I mean, in execute. In. Hm. The execution on this one, it felt like more random than fun. And again, like, I think this is one where I talked about the elevator pitch idea. I'm like, all right, they could do something cute with this. But I didn't care. Again, for this, like, fighting between Julia and Mary Jo. I think it's kind of the worst parts of themselves were coming out, especially in this one. It's like two different sides of the ego coin and playing out in the most disasterly ways.
Salina: So, it was also just one of those episodes where I found myself thinking too many times, what are we doing here?
Nikki: So which episode was that? Do you have the episode number handy?
Salina: 17.
Nikki: Okay. I'm trying to remember. There was one note I made to myself as I was watching. Yeah, okay, so this was one of my obnoxious Julia quotes was in this episode. So it was. I'm gonna save it probably for the Julia episode.
Salina: Okay.
Nikki: But that's reminding me that to your point, some of the worst of both of them was coming out because Julia got me multiple times throughout this season. Like, oh, she just irritates me sometimes. Is that it for best and worst episode? Best and worst guest star.
So let's start with best. You have a top three? I have two for this one, if that helps.
Salina: Well, I have what I'm calling a sitcom trifecta.
Nikki: Oh, okay.
Salina: I hope you'll allow it.
Nikki: I will.
Salina: so, but the reason I'm calling it a sitcom trifecta is because, wildly, three of the most popular characters in network TV history just kind of show up in the final season. So first we have Sherman Hemsley as Mr. Toussaint, aka George Jefferson as Etienne's dad. Do you see how I say it? Weird. This is what I'm trying to say, Etienne. Okay. See, everything that you say that's French is beautiful.
Nikki: It's like Auntie M. That's what she says.
Salina: Oh, I wish I remembered that. I couldn't get through the season.
Nikki: A second Viva Las Vegas episode. I remember a lot about that one.
Salina: Etienne.
Nikki: Etienne. There you go.
Salina: Okay, I got it. anyways, so he comes in as her dad in episode 14, the Wedding Redux. Then we have Perry Gilpin as Jade Herman. This is Roz from Frasier, who's his. A production assistant. or producer. Sorry. Good Lord. It's minimized. A woman. but that's in episode 17, Shovel off to Buffalo. So it was weird to see her. And then, of course.
Nikki: That's right. Yeah.
Salina: And then, of course, we have Patrick warburton as Craig, aka David Putty from Seinfeld in episode 11, Too Dumb to Date, and episode 21 and 22, Gone with the Whim. So I was just, really sorry. You should know,
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Salina: listeners, that when Seinfeld comes up, Nikki's eyes go dead because she doesn't really know Seinfeld, which is a crime against humanity.
Nikki: I'm thinking something totally different, which is Patrick Warburton is my best of the season, and it's because I freaking love that guy. He's a Maze family favorite. but not because of Seinfeld. He was in Rules of Engagement, which I love.
Salina: Oh, right.
Nikki: And he voices Joe Swanson on Family Guy. So we. We love Patrick Warburn every time his voice comes on. We were at the, pediatrician the other day, and they were showing some movie in his voice, and I said, oh, I love that guy.
Salina: It is great.
Nikki: He's delightful. and then, Cheryl Lee Ralph was my runner up as Etienne. I think she's just amazing. But she's really cute as Etienne. I really liked her character.
Salina: Yeah, I almost,
Nikki: Does she count as a guest star? Did I over? Yeah, she was around a lot.
Salina: Yeah.
Nikki: Okay.
Salina: It's your favorite. Do you think I'm gonna take that.
Nikki: From she's not Patrick Warburton, but runner up? What about worst?
Salina: So it's a twofer for me. I've got Gail O'Grady and James Karen as Kiki and Mr. Kearney. Just their characters as terrible people. Like, it's not necessarily bad acting. I mean, they understood the assignment. It was all supposed to be, like, over the top.
The other one that I, This isn't a best word.
Nikki: Worst.
Salina: I just needed to flag the fact that for all my millennials out there, that, Julia's composer boyfriend was Miranda Priestley's very over at husband in the Devil Wears Prada. I didn't know where else to put it. I just needed to say that Miranda.
Nikki: Priestley's over at boyfriend.
Salina: Oh, sorry. Not boyfriend. Husband.
Nikki: Okay. The Devil Wears Prada I'm having trouble picturing.
Salina: She's the one that like. Or he's the one that, When what's. Her face goes in to like, pick up the book and like, like you're not supposed to go up the stairs.
Nikki: Right?
Salina: And like, he's there, he's there. She catches them fighting. Huh? M. Looks exactly the same. Hadn't aged at all.
Nikki: Fascinating. Yeah, I didn't catch that. I had two worst. And they're just terrible characters. Like terrible people. no, I was hoping they would be two. Two. First Morius Wares. I'm not sure I'm saying that right. He played Nigel in New Julia New York Morning. It's not his fault. His character was just really sketchy. Painting Julia nude like that, just not cool. Right? You know? and then Jeff McCarthy who was in Sex, Lies and Bad Hair Dye. He was Justin, the guy at the end that the ladies all come around. What a sketch ball.
Salina: Got some really skeezy.
Nikki: Some really bad guest characters this time. Bad in the sense of like their characters are just terrible. The worst in the world.
Salina: Yeah, agreed.
Nikki: okay, so up to three funniest moments.
Salina: Are you glad that you got assigned this very long category?
Nikki: I know. We're coming. We're coming around. It's almost done.
Salina: So the dynamic between Bernice and Mr. Toussaint in episode 14, the Wedding Redux, again.
Nikki: I gotta watch that episode again because I've missed all of this.
Salina: Oh, okay. So in perfect Designing Women fashion, we learn from Etienne's did I do it right? Okay. Her mom, Mrs. Tucson. They didn't get first names. That Bernice is singing Black Man, Black man to Etienne's dad. And then as part of her recounting, she said to Julia and Anthony, he thinks it's funny, but I find it rather offensive. And then he runs in and say, says she keeps calling me stuff. To which Bernice runs in singing to him. And it's just like, perfect. How about you?
Nikki: I thought of Human Bondage had some really funny moments. So I. I didn't say this earlier. I thought we were going to share some reactions to that episode. But one of my reactions was I actually thought that was a pretty okay outing for the season. I thought we got to meet, BJ in a great way, and learn who all about her. And then also see the characters in fantastic, situations. But I really liked the conversation about the Wanderer being like an insanely sexist song and how terrible it is. And then they cut to Julia singing it Drunk singing it. I thought that was delightful. And then, Mary Jo being nearly done with her and Manila Killa within, like, seconds of getting it. If you look, all the other characters still have, like, almost the full glass. And hers within seconds is like this. and then, of course, Anthony on the rotating board. Just so many funny things happening in that episode.
Salina: Mm, M.
My next one is BJ and Anthony pretending to be married when they try to buy the new painting of Julia. This is an episode 15, New Julia, New York Morning. So they explain at the gallery that they are nude collectors who like to come home and look at their nudes and watch Monday Night Football. And I'm going to tell you right now that that is the most interesting that Monday Night Football has ever sounded to me. I didn't know that would get me on board. Will do.
Nikki: I think in episode two, Sex and the Single Woman, there was an interaction between
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Nikki: Carlene and Julia over whether she likes Dwayne Dauber. That was really funny. Well, Julia. Julia, don't you like Dwayne? And Julia says, is it. It isn't a case of whether I like him or not. Dwayne's already here on Earth. He's not leaving just because of my vote. Her delivery and that line, it made me chuckle. I saw that episode twice, I think, and both times it got me in the chuckle. So I figured it deserved a spot on the list.
Salina: That's very fair.
Nikki: So I also think that about a lot of people, by the way. I guess it doesn't matter what I think about them. M. They're already here. I can't do anything about it.
Salina: But over here. Laughing. my final one was each of the women imitating men, which is then only bested by Carlene putting all of their imitations into practice at the end of the episode. This is episode 20, the Lying Game. So Mary Jo puts her hands in her pockets, pops up the front of her pants, you know, to make sure it's still there. Julia, as she puts it, takes simple tasks and makes them difficult. which. Yeah, that's all her specific examples were like making big noises when sliding over a chair or taking a sip of water. Yeah, I would say maybe even beyond that, that. Like putting a shirt in the closet.
Nikki: But you mean not on the floor.
Salina: Their examples are good too.
Nikki: Those work too.
Salina: BJ talked about men always giving themselves permission to be aggressive. Close talking and chest poking. And her. Her doing that was just really funny.
Nikki: The physical humor of all of it.
Salina: Yeah, it's. It's you can't really recapture it without getting over there and poking you. And I ain't gonna do that. So m. And then Bernice's makes no sense, but she does do, an Arnold Schwarzenegger impression. So that's something that happens. And that just that whole little bit there, I just wrote that all the way to the end, just smiling ear to ear.
Nikki: Good, that one is delightful.
and then my final One is episode 12, the Odyssey. It was really Mary Jo's slow descent into crazy. So she slow descended to crazy a couple episodes. But in this one, she started the episode just being like run of the mill cynical about the trip. Like, we're gonna go on this journey. It never works out well for us. And you know, then within minutes she's already got the Twilight Zone music going because something has happened that she can already tell is like gonna send this trip crazy. But then she gets all the way to the end of the episode and has a breakdown over the lack of corn on the cob. Like I think it was snacks at the airport or something. And she just full on melts down. And I just enjoyed watching that. Taking that ride with them, quite honestly, was a joy for me. I like to.
Salina: Who among us doesn't like a good meltdown?
Nikki: You know, when it's not directed at me and I'm not involved? Love it.
Salina: I like it when it's not me.
Nikki: Melting down or my children or my husband, but like, people on TV like to watch it.
Salina: Fair enough.
Nikki: Did you have any more funniest moments? Okay, what about cringiest moments?
Salina: Without even looking back in my notes, the worst offender to me is everyone's initial reaction to Carlene's boyfriend Eric dressing like a woman. This is an episod episode 20, the Lion Game.
Salina: So was this for effect? Like to land the punch better at the end? Maybe. I mean, it was 1993, so I don't think this was an easy thing for most people to comprehend, let alone accept. But to watch these progressive characters shrink back in fear and almost disgust, I felt real cringy in 2025 M. And I want to be clear, this was an episode, like I've said, I really loved it. And when we get to Carleen's episode, I'll talk more about it. But that was. That was tough.
Nikki: I'm gonna say it's not in my notes anywhere, but I'm gonna say this before I forget because I think that's on the note of something you said earlier about like caricatures of these characters kind of diverging from the character profile we've established. One of the criticisms that I read about this season was that it was anti feminist. For a show that started feminist, you said progressive characters reacted in a way you weren't expecting. I think the criticism I read was that, feminist characters didn't act very feminist throughout this season. So the specific on the nose criticism was Bernice. Her jokes were mostly boob jokes and, like, bimbo jokes and jabs at a certain type of woman which they feel like didn't really wouldn't resonate for this particular crew of people. And the fact that that kept coming up throughout the season. After I read that, I tried to watch the episodes I was watching with that in mind. I haven't figured out where I land on that criticism. I think the show has almost always judged a certain type of woman. We saw that play out with Suzanne and certain things about Suzanne's personality. I think it's playing played out even with some of the characters in different parts of their personality.
Salina: Yeah.
Nikki: So it might just speak to, one, it's just TV show, so whatever. But two, it might just speak to how complex feminism is. And what does feminism mean?
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Nikki: And does it. How do you explore that? And what does that mean? But I did just want to say that as we're talking about cringiest things, the, feminism piece, the progressive piece, people feel like sort of came back through the season that I. Yeah, I.
Salina: Think that's a good point. But I think I'm really siding primarily with what you said, which is I. I feel like, it's a bit uneven anyway.
Nikki: Yeah.
Salina: they poke at a certain type of woman. They. They're. Early on, it was very clear they have something against people who aren't real. Finn. I don't even know if that's. I. And I shouldn't even put it like that, but it's more like there were like a lot of fat jokes.
Nikki: Mm.
Salina: And. And I think that doesn't fit in well with this idea that they were also trying to stand up for Delta Burke at different points and also have those things in the mix. To your point about feminism, it gets complicated. I think what's inside people's heads get complicated. But certainly some of that was hanging out and finding its way into the plots, so. But now I'm sad.
Nikki: Talk about my actual cringiest moment. So episode two, Sex and the Single Woman. Dwayne Dawber's back, which means that his racist tendencies are back.
Salina: And.
Nikki: And he said Some really inappropriate things to Anthony, which, culminated in something actually funny for Anthony. Got a chance to be super on the nose this season and call out some really racist things in a delightful way. but he ran through a list of stereotypical things they would do during their sleepover, which I thought was funny, but it was driven by a cringy thing that was happening with Dwayne Dauber.
Salina: Yes. And while we're on that train, I think my other most crazy cringy moment was the ladies waxing poetically about the antebellum south in episode 21. M. Going with the whim, though, I. I think the show did. To your point, when you're talking about what Anthony did, they counterbalance that perspective with Anthony's takes. I thought that was really helpful, but it was just still like, okay, we're too excited.
Nikki: I think it wasn't as self aware as you would have expected Julia, for instance, to be, again, thinking about someone who's progressive, thinking about someone who loves Anthony as a friend, and it just didn't feel true.
Salina: I think that was still a sign of the times and a real unfortunate blind spot for southern progressives in the 80s and 90s. In the 2000s. I have one obnoxious moment, which I thought you might feel because you've already shared this, which is our inner production to auntie M Etienne was a full musical number by Cheryl Lee Ralph. I just. That was not.
Nikki: You got to get your boogie down.
Salina: I know why they. I know why they did it. I get it.
Nikki: Yeah.
Salina: But, like, we hadn't even met her yet. I had no time with this woman. It's like meeting someone for the first time, but they're naked.
Nikki: Yeah.
Salina: You know, like, I need to see you three times in close.
Nikki: Yeah.
Salina: And then that's fine. It's not.
Nikki: I still don't want to watch 45 minutes of get your boogie down. It was just the same words over and over again. It was just stolen glances.
Salina: Given her a better song.
Nikki: Yeah. Yes. Give her. Or like, not a song. Not a song. Give her a dance. Something.
Salina: Give her something.
Nikki: Give her something. Yeah.
the last mine is also obnoxious was episode ah, three, Mary Jo versus the Terminator. Just in general, I feel like this episode brought out the worst in Julia, which made it a hard watch for me. I think that the, When I was putting my notes together, like, finalizing them, I realized that BJ was an interesting mirror of Julia in this episode. And it made me realize why BJ doesn't Annoy me the same way Julia does, even though BJ also is very opinionated and holds very strong stances. So, I think it just speaks to how the approach can be different for different people and make things land differently. So this episode, the subplot of this was the billboard discussion. So BJ has a billboard, and she had one about guns. And Julia geared up ready to argue her about it, and she was like, you disagree? Get your own billboard. Like, we're not gonna sit here and argue it. I feel the way I feel. You feel the way you feel. I have a billboard. You do not. And it was just such a power move for her to, like, shut it down and not argue over it, because she knew they didn't agree, so what's the point in fighting over it? And I just really appreciated that. and later in the episode, actually, BJ says, I know exactly where she's coming from. We both have strong opinions, and we think the world would be a better place if everybody thought the way that we think. Truth is, it would be. So it's clearly the same idea. They just have very different approaches. And one lands better for me. but in that episode, Julia called Mary Jo pigheaded because she expressed her feeling of having been talked down to. That's Julia. And that's the worst in Julia is to be like, you managed to have an opinion that's different than mine, and you shared it with me. You are so pigheaded. That's so obnoxious.
Salina: Right?
Nikki: So obnoxious. Yeah, that one got me.
Salina: I will tell you that. Like, there's a little bit of, like.
Nikki: You
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Nikki: watched it and thought she looked great, thought she sounded great in all of it. You completely agreed.
Salina: that's it. Only that I thought they were setting up BJ to be more of a foil to her in those first episodes, and I noticed that really petered out.
Nikki: Yeah.
Salina: and I guess I decided not to take that track tack.
Nikki: Yeah, well, because they set her up to just not even deal. Like, she wouldn't even lower herself to arguing with Julia. Like, not even going to discuss it with you.
Salina: I need to probably take a page out of that book.
Nikki: It doesn't hurt. Okay.
Salina: It could hurt.
Nikki: okay, last point is most socially or culturally important or relevant plot.
Salina: Okay. So we've kind of already been dancing around this, but, like, the last few seasons were more silly, less substance. not a bad thing. It's a sitcom. It's fine. That said, I identified several things I thought could fit here, but I'm Gonna save most of them for our character specific discussions for today. I'm gonna take the 500 foot distance and I'm going to go with the topic of loss. So BJ has just lost her husband and her arc over the season shows us, like, shades of what that journey might look like. You know, what might be hard, what might be heartfelt and important to a person's healing. And then Mary Jo loses Brownie, which leads to everyone talking about that special relationship that people have with their pets. So I think that's probably even more relevant today. I think. I think there have always been people where like, pets are part of the family, but I think that's like. It's just so much more significant now. I don't know. I don't know. I don't even know how to put that into words, but it just feels, more. It's like we talked about with pets before. It's like less eccentric and more accepted. So.
Nikki: Well, we lost Jackson, just before I watched this episode. So that was a tough watch for me.
Salina: I was really thinking about that the whole time, but I didn't want to like, poke at you, but I had been. M wondering, I'm like, oh my God, is she hitting this episode? Oh my God, oh my God, oh my God.
Nikki: So I think I've experienced significant loss in my life. So I process it. Maybe different, I won't say better, but just differently than people and maybe a little more. It's just part of life now to me. So I did have a very rough week or so there. but when I, when I saw this episode, it, it definitely struck a chord with me because they are, they. They are part of your everyday. They're part of your everyday. And when they're not there, it's hard. So I have some thoughts on that theme of loss when we get to the BJ episode. But I, I agree that is, that does come across throughout this season. I. We talked about this in person a few weeks ago. The Lying game is the one that brought us to, real social commentary for all the reasons you've already shared. so I don't. We'll probably also talk about it in the Carleen episode. But to me, that felt like when I was watching through the season, I was like, this almost feels like one of the heaviest topics that we're going to tackle this season. There are some other things that came up with individual characters, but overall that's the one that came to m mind when I thought of this category.
Salina: No doubt. Well, after you've led 75 minutes of,
Nikki: No, I'm serious.
Salina: For us to talk about.
Nikki: Maybe I didn't do it.
Salina: Well, yeah, that's what I'm worried about.
You want to rate this sucker?
Nikki: Let's do it. my rating scale is business. Losing poker hands. on its own, I'd give it.
Salina: Six out of five.
Nikki: I went back and forth on this so much. No, seven out of 10. I think it's fudgeable one direction or the other, but seven out of ten on its own? Not comparing it to other Designing Women's seasons.
Salina: You changed our rating. It's out of five. you can give it seven out of ten.
Nikki: Oh, I get seven. Do the math. So that's. Let's do three out of five.
Salina: Well, we gave it the same score.
Nikki: Oh, good.
Salina: Yeah, good. I was like, I don't think that.
Nikki: Fraction is perfectly simplified, but that works.
Salina: I think it's fine.
Nikki: Three out of five is about where I put it.
Salina: Okay. Okay. So I'm glad that you gave me a, rating skill as we talked, because I didn't have one. I kept coming back and being like, I got nothing.
Nikki: Just that one came to me at the last minute because I watched that first episode again.
Salina: Oh, well, I went with Jolly Little Follies.
Nikki: Oh, I do like that.
Salina: So thanks for. Thanks for handing that one over. Otherwise, it was just gonna be me going, yeah, I just, You kind of already alluded to this. you know, how will we rate it compared to previous seasons? You know, lower. Considerably lower.
Nikki: Considerably lower. Yeah. I probably would give it more like. I don't want to say one because that feels too low. I actually had, On my rating scale of 10, I had four, so I guess that would. I don't know, two. It's like somewhere in the 1.5 to 2 compared to other seasons here.
Salina: Hold on.
Nikki: I know. Don't pull out a calculator. It just definitely wasn't Designing Women's best work. I felt like last season, for everything everybody said about Allison, I
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Nikki: just thought last season would be the worst of all time. This is worse than that. So when you put it in comparison, it's the weakest season of the show.
Salina: It's. It's rough. It's rough on that bright spot.
Nikki: On that note, it. But there were bright spots, which I do think when we get into the individual character episodes, maybe we'll touch on a little bit. Which leads us to next week's episode, which will be our first character specific episode.
Nikki: We're going to talk about Ms. M. Bonnie Jean Poteet. I hate saying her last name.
Salina: Poteet.
Nikki: And then if you make me say BJ before that, like I just, it's hard for me. BJ Poteet. So we'd love everyone to follow along with us and engage. We're on Instagram and Facebook @Sweet CNTV where silliness responses have become increasingly unhinged to the haters. we're also on TikTok for as long as TikTok's a thing. Is it? Until this weekend. And then they might cut it off. So maybe we'll still be on TikTok. Maybe try Instagram first. Sweet TV pod. you can search us on YouTube. Sweet Tea TV. And we're also our email address, it's sweet tv7371. Our email address is sweet tvpod Gmail.com and I get those messages and I personally love when people send us emails. Listeners. listener Candice sent us some really great thoughts from going from season six to season seven. And every now and then I get a comment on the website that comes through the email. They make me happy. So keep doing it guys. which leads me to the website which is www.sweettv.com. you can send us a message that way too. And then of course, like everybody says at the end of a podcast, please tell your family and friends about us. Please leave us a good rating, wherever you listen to podcasts and then you can visit the website for additional ways to support us. And then I think we've talked about this throughout this episode that our extra sugar this week is going to be solely dedicated to the series finale. We're going to give it the old fashioned sweet tea and TV take where we break down the entire episode by itself.
Salina: That's right.
Nikki: Because we heard from fans like listener Candice that she loved that. So hopefully breaking down the series finale, which is season finale and series finale, will give us a chance to scratch that itch a little bit. Very scratching your itch.
Salina: Very kind. That was Nikki's idea. So I'm going to give her 1000% credit for that. So just see how it turns out, people. Yeah, just. Just a kind soul, you know. Well, you know what that means, Nikki?
Nikki: What does it mean, Salina?
Salina: Means we'll see you around the bend. Bye.
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